My new linking system is a smash hit success!
July 10, 2007
Did you get my email outlining the incredible success of my new linking system? What do you think? Have questions? Comments? Leave your thoughts and comments on this blog post!
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60 Responses to “My new linking system is a smash hit success!”
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Jonathan Leger has been earning his living online full-time since the fall of 2004. He regularly posts advice about search engine optimization (his current passion), AdSense and Internet Marketing. 
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Hi jonathan,
That is very interesting result. can you tell me again how can I join in your network… I vaguely remember something about your network.
Thanks
Sam Bitar
You'll be able to join once it goes live in a couple of days.
I just read your email regarding the 3-way linking and would like to find out more about it!
Thanks Jonathan
Michael
Hi Jonathan:
I did not understand what it is that you were doing when you first wrote about it but would like to. Can you walk me through the principle?
thanks,
ella
Good luck to everyone in these networks. I do not want to pour cold water on this but I just wonder what the research teams at the Googleplex are doing while people are happily triangulating their way up the SERPs.
The numbers will speak for themselves. The idea is not new as I've used a similar service.
However the speed and ease of getting your linking system set up was a huge plus. I also like the panel interface - nothing too fancy but nice to be able to see who's linking in and out to your domain with one click.
lol!!! Jon, I've always said that you are a thinker, and you go and prove me right once again. If it can be "thunked" up, you can do it.
MikeRogers
Alex:
I hate to break it to you, but these kinds of networks have been ranking sites for years and years… why do you think Google's so gung-ho against paid links? Because they stink at detecting them.
I've just taken an old idea and made it (in my opinion) A LOT easier and a lot more affordable. But trust me, I'm taking extreme measures to fly "under the radar" and avoid footprints, etc.
Hi John,
I think this sound great, but I have a concern. What's to stop google from find a foot print to the sites in the network, when everyone has a php file on their domain?
As you know, Matt Cutts is really working his Spam control thing very heavily and he even has "humans" working on finding web spam.
I am really interested in this.
thanks!
Yvonne
Yvonne:
As I told Alex, I'm working hard to avoid all footprints, taking loads of user feedback, using completely randomized templates for each page, and a host of other things I won't go into here.
Of course, there's always a risk involved, and it's a risk you have to be willing to take if you want in the network. But the rewards are PHENOMENAL so far.
I think this is brilliant. I suspect that reciprocal linking will be obsolete soon. I am curious if the engines will bless this approach to link building. I hope so.
Robert:
That's actually an excellent point. Reciprocal link networks have been around for ages (well, in web years it's been ages), so there's no reason to believe this system won't continue to work very well going forward.
Ok, now Jonathan
I would discourage anyone from doing this because for one it violates Google terms of service and is clearly black hat. I suggest that don't look at the short term gains that could and probably will not disappear. Why not focus on long term rankings not black hat, sneaky, techniques that evaporate like water. Try writing articles, using Kaboodle and Squidoo. Write a Press release, do a You tube video for your niche, try Digg and Netscape, Blog…….but do not do black hat techniques that will evaporate your rankings and possibly get you banned.
Oh and Jonathan do you think that all the Google guys are going to sit back and watch you do this. I am sure they have already read your blog and forums talking about this and will shut it down. So Jonathan try something non black hat and will be effective for long term. Not BS rankings that won't last.
Try getting in the top ten for major words like I did all white hat in a few months.
James:
I appreciate what you're saying, and I don't disagree that the -best- way to rank is all "white hat".
I wouldn't call this black hat, though–not unless every reciprocal link directory out there is "black hat". This is the same, only with a multi-dimensional element to it.
Using Kaboodle and Squidoo is "sneaky", too, if you think about it — creating "fake" info sites that link to other sites to bolster rankings. Writing articles and submitting to hundreds of trash article sites just for the link values.
Really, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I appreciate your comments, though. It's always good to read the other side of the coin.
And, btw, it's taken years for Google to downgrade reciprocal link directory values (and some say it still works great as long as the links are on-theme), and ad-hoc networks have been ranking sites for years, so it's hard to believe that this will "evaporate like water".
Your linking system sounds like something I can really use. Keep me posted.
Thanks
Joe
Not black hat, Well I think and I believe Google does too, that doing anything that will clearly manipulate search results and compromise the integrity of the algorithm is not white hat, but what ever this is it's manipulating serps.
Kaboodle and Squidoo can be sneaky if you are not fresh and unique. Oh and taking years I don't know about that.
Google just dropped a bomb on Squidoo's hub pages for all the affiliate crap and the lenses dropped like flies. So clearly if you play by the rules you will reap the rewards. Fresh, unique…
Oh and if you submitted unique content to hundreds of trashy article sites then that's not sneaky or black hat because Google is getting something in return…fresh, unique content. (I only suggest a few article sites)
Basically people you can do it the right way…by staying fresh and unique.
And hey Jonathan not to devalue your service because it is a service for people who want short term value and your providing it. So get yours $!
Hey Jon,
Notice the similarity in my board to yours. I've been reading your blog lots and must say I get some great info from it! Thank so much.
Can't wait to hear more about the linking software. I also found new software that finds highly searched keywords with super low pages in Google.
The two combined could be a huge success.
Ian
Thanks James. I do appreciate your point of view. I think anything you do by way of SEO is "manipulating serps" though (writing articles, creating Squidoo lenses, etc). But thanks again for your input!
Ian:
That's really where I think the power of this system lies: find the "low hanging fruit" and aim for it with sites using this linking system. If you can get 1,000 visitors per month per site, and put up 20 sites… even with a 1% conversion rate you're talking about a lot of cash.
Another great looking product thus far Jonathan!
Anyone and everyone is always looking for ways to get to the top of Google and this is a great idea. As we all know that in order to get to 1st page you would have to build quality content pages and get quality links. The 2 basic commandments of getting to the top.
Google may not like this idea but it does not break their TOS (i don't think).
I'll be signing up for this when launched and hope everyone else who signs up great success to the top.
Like this! Is this manipulating, oh…prolly huh! Your probably right..anything you do does manipulate..but is it a positive long term growth not manipulation…Hey I think your great man..your trying to help folks get rankings and thats great.. I do this and I even let people call me when they go to my "add url page" and I network and talk to folks and get them ranked just as fast if not faster.. so keep doing what your doing man..
3-way product is interseting - but I only have 1 site and the $47 cost is too stiff !
Check out hittail.com it's great for finding out exactly how you get your traffic in real time. It's awesome and then thats even easier to get the long tail. It shows how your long tail is clearly where its at. Highly recommend hittail.com
Too stiff? If you target a set of keywords that gets you even just 1,000 unique visitors a month, and you sell a product (as an affiliate or a vendor) that makes you just $20 per sale with a 1% conversion rate… that's $200, almost 5 times your investment.
Then you can reinvest that money into creating more sites and adding them to the network. If you can build 20 niche sites that convert in the same manner ($200 a month), that's $4,000 a month for your $47 investment.
How's that too stiff? You need to think longer term.
Great idea Jon. Count me in!
I want to throw in my 2 cents. Jonathan, since every thing is going ducky….please slow it down a notch and increase the "randomness" of the linking a notch. Skip days entirely in a random fashion and bunch up some days.
Its working well so I'm gong to suggest an elite version for Proctor and Gamble and JC Penneys and such. I'm sure there are ways to create a "Club" feel to the situation. I've been offered an SEO job at a firm that deals with this level of smugness. So i thought I'd throw out the possibility.
As to Google coming after you…..not to worry. The subject came up in StomperNet and the people who are quite connected in the industry and had been consultants to Google at times, said that the 5000 in Stomper-Net weren't worth the bat of an eyelash to Google.
Given that it's StomperNet …as in " Look at us! We are building a NETWORK to STOMP the search engines!"
If they felt safe, then we should.
Still….they kept the footprint issue foremost.
Thanks for the suggestion C. I've considered a completely separate, elite, "go for it all" network in addition to this one. I'll watch how this one goes and we'll see if that's workable and worthwhile.
I am 100% on top of keeping the footprint issue foremost. Every single stitch of formatting and text is all random.
Thanks again.
This sounds really great, but $50 per month is just way off the chart for me to afford.
You should do something like a trial sign up for people that think this a scam (no, I'm not saying this because I can't afford it and want to try it out even though I can't and I do want to, and I'm not saying this because I think it's a scam which I don't) or doesn't work.
It would be great if you can make a discount offer for people that can't afford, but with a catch.. like a button to the site on every page, or you can make your own ad network for people who want it free.
Anyone who'd like it free can just insert the PHP code or something to enable the ad network. Advertisers can come to you saying they want to advertise on this network, and it'll appear on every single website.
Thanks for the suggestion Nerses, but this is going to remain a paid service. Having it a paid service tends to keep the site quality higher.
Jonathan,
THANK YOU! I am one of your beta testers and I can't wait to use your system on all of my customers and my sites! It is working like a charm- yesterday I googled my site and I came up first!! It's amazing!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Kathy
PS. Please let me know when this is available to purchase.
It would be interesting to get some feedback directly from your beta-testers.
Mark:
See Peter Koning and Kathy Mason's comments above.
Actually, I tend to agree with Alex and James up there.
Wait till Google gets onto this.
All they need to do is tweak a few bits of code, and we're finished.
The real problem will be that, in virtually no time, everyone and his cousin will be jumping on the bandwagon with this. ESPECIALLY the so-called Internet marketing gurus, who'll churn out their own watered-down copycat versions to hock to the masses.
How can we ALL get onto Page 1? Impossible. And, even if we could, for how long can we stay there? Even more impossible.
At one time, contentless MFA sites were also okay and allowed by Google. People were even selling programs that automated the setting up of such sites. Until Google put its huge foot down on them.
I can foresee a few problems.
E.g. since it's a paid system, there will be people joining whose sites don't fit with other members' sites or whose sites are of low quality, and who know it but who will still take advantage of the system. If this happens, other members will lose out.
Another thing is, how do niche sites work in the system? Are they still going to be linked up like everyone else, only to come under Google's suspicion of being part of a link exchange because they're linked to theme-unrelated sites?
I also think 3-ways is cutting it too close. Although they were supposed to grow very slowly so as to not arouse suspicion, already, the numbers have gone through the roof. And that's for the beta test. Once it goes public, you can't control the numbers. Six-ways or even 10-ways may be better, I think.
I do think that this will work very well for the short term. I think it would be a great help to those starting out in the more competitive industries.
Anyway, good luck to all. Hope it works out well.
I'll be joining. Even if it stops working in a month I'll still reap the benefit. What's the time cost to set this up for my sites? Prolly nothing.
Nice work on this Jonathan!
- Gary
It takes about 5 minutes for most sites to set it up. It's very, VERY easy and simple — I designed it that way on purpose.
Pat,
Wikipedia ranks for mostly 1st overall on Google in most of their pages and they literally have tens of thousands of links pointing to different unrelated sites. And they've been ranked that high for a very long time, possibly years.
Jonanthans' last article on this blog touched on this issue.
Hey Jonathan,
Did you put the coolest guy on the planet in with this system? If so then if this works you should be #1 before long..right?
RC,
Yes, but Wikipedia is a portal, a reference resource. It is a .org site. In fact, it is a certified non-profit charity site.
It can't be compared to your or my average, ordinary, commercial website.
I'm sure Google, with all its powers, is able to distinguish between the two types and, very likely, has different rules for each.
Google has already made clear its disapproval of sites participating in link exchanges, particularly for sites with Adsense. They actually ban such sites from the Adsense program when they detect them.
So I think commercial sites in programs such as this one will sooner or later be noticed by Google.
I'm not saying not to go into this.
It can work very well indeed for some, or even for many, sites. Because of that, I say, go for it.
But just be prepared for the rewards to be short-term.
This sounds interesting and I will definitely be looking out for it when it launches.
Been reading the comments here with interest. Funny how James, who has been questioning the value and ethics of this new product, and Wedding Favors, who praises Jon for what he's doing, both have the same URL. Are they the same person?
Jonathan,
Have people put up to three php includes on their page with (?) to eliminate any code break text.
Then randomly send the linking through 1 to 3 of the links to create greater randomness on the page.
This might help reduce a footprint!
Brian
Another great idea! Count me it on this project!
I'm happy this is working so well for you. I think it is a little/lot advanced for me. I'm just learning what PHP is, and I don't know how to "run metrics", or any of that stuff. I wish ya'll the very best and I'll keep studying.
Congratulations!
Brennan:
It's very easy to use, actually — nothing complicated about it. You upload a file to your domain and link to it from the home page. That's really the hardest part of the process.
The back end stuff, that I do as a programmer, is invisible to people who use the system.
A quote from you Jonathan
"White hat" basically boils down to the things that Google approves of that don't try to artificially inflate your rankings.
"Black hat" includes techniques that Google does not approve of, such as buying links or link spamming.
Quote from the Big Google
we strongly encourage you to pay very close attention to the "Quality Guidelines," which outline some of the illicit practices that may lead to a site being removed entirely from the Google index or otherwise penalized. If a site has been penalized, it may no longer show up in results on Google.com or on any of Google's partner sites.
Webmasters who spend their energies upholding the spirit of the basic principles will provide a much better user experience and subsequently enjoy better ranking than those who spend their time looking for loopholes they can exploit.
Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank.
Hmmmm…You know foot prints can always be found. When you put real effort and not black hat crap like buying links, participating in link schemes..
Think fresh, unique, valuable, worthy content. Forums, articles, blogs, Digg, Netscape, You tube these are direct traffic too. Just think get people to know your site that way if you had no Google rankings you could still be found..Brand yourself.
Participate and have some useful tips or ideas about your niche that will be valuable and have others talking. Quit looking for the quick buck. Because as stated by Google if something did happen they might just slap the crap out of your site. I give real advice just visit my page.
This sounds interesting and how to join in this interesting program?
Can guide me along, i been wanted to be in the top search engine but i not sure how to do it…
Thanks, please advice…
Looking forward in eager anticipation !!
I think the effectiveness of your linking system should be "proved" rather than "hyped". Here's what I suggest:
-You give us the names of 10 websites using your system, and you tell us when they joined your system.
-For each website, you give us a keyword they are targetting in search engines.
This way, we can do our own tracking of their position in search engines. We can view performance over 1 week, 1 month, 3 months.. and most important of all, as we, the potential clients, are making the comparisons, NEGATIVE RESULTS WILL NOT BE CENSORED.
You say that you have over 600 websites in beta-testing. You are providing your system free to them. It should not be difficult to get 10 websites to take part in this "demonstration" - after all, that is why there is a beta test.
Whats a footprint?
You're right Jon, you made it VERY easy: I was able to set it up !
ciao
alexander
I am interested in creating a new optimized page and try your system. However you seem to condition
the participation in your testing on having site listed on Google before hand - and for a new page I am not sure whether this is compatible with your condition.
Jan
Jon,
I think that $47/month is very 'pushing' for a small php/java script??
How much I could charge then, I put my site in to no#2 place on Google within 7 days. No#2.
But I like your idea, I'm sure it will work. We do this 3 way exchange about 3 months.
Now I go and check my adsense if no#2 is worth anything…
Good luck, you always come up w/good products!
cash
i've been beta-tester on this 3waylinks stuff. it works just fine and takes out the pain in the a** of building backlinks. well, you can (and should) still build other backlinks, nobody forbids that.
and, from a coder's view: nice idea (not new though) and solid implementation.
Hi Jon,
Two questions:-
1. Why do you not allow sub-domains? I have some high-quality sites which sit on sub-domains, and I would prefer to use their sub-domain home page.
2. Your Terms and Conditions do not detail closing/cancelling an account.
Cheers
Jim (a JL products fan)
>>> Quote by James: "Did you put the coolest guy on the planet in with this system? If so then if this works you should be #1 before long..right?"
James,
If you google "coolest guy on the planet"…Jon is #2…I think that is pretty darn good.
The only guy above him is Brad Fallon…and that is very understandable. He is the SEO master in my opinion…and has had a huge head start to this game.
Jon,
I love your service, and all your products…you and I think much alike. Quality, Perfection, and Action.
I can attest to the fact that 3WayLinks.net just flat out works…it doesn't matter how skeptical you are. BTW $47 is cheap for this service.
Thanks for everything Jon,
Ken
Ok, Ken wow!!! Are you kidding me he's number two for coolest guy on the planet! Wow Thats amazing. Considering almost nobody gives a darn about the coolest guy on the planet. Oh and Brad being number one I am sure he hasn't given a crap about that key word forever…He's prolly worrying about making money on real stuff not some stupid contest that no isn't worth the effort.
Try getting in the top ten for keywords that get hundreds of thousands of searches a month like I did…you know money making keywords…not hey I'm number one for the coolest guy on the planet…Yes! Yes! Yes!! I number one for a phrase nobody gives a crap about.
Like I said talk to me when you get ranked in the top ten for major money making keywords..not some stupid ego contest that isn't worth my time and effort..And if I did decide to get in on the coolest contest I feel pretty confident considering most of the people don't know a thing about SEO and I have a proven track record. A top ten record for major keywords. Like wedding favors, wedding gifts…. you know money making words.
Oh and Jon you do have some great products like instant article wizard…..I highly recommend it! It's pretty good.
You can nay-say all you want to James, but these sites are ranking for keywords that get serious traffic. It's fine if you don't feel the service is something you want to use, but to dog it when you've never used it, and therefore have no clue about how well it works, is foolish.
Ok Jonathan spit out some URL's and well see…
You know if your going to claim it then show the proof….I might get in…A person who claims things wont mind spitting some keywords and URL's….Heres some of mine UK number 2 for wedding favors, AU number one, Singapore number one, Canada top ten, South Africa number one, Malaysia number one, Ireland number one…US top ten…But you know I dont focus on major keywords I focus on long tail….
So Jon if you claim it lets see it……
All the proof I need to provide is in the words of those who are using the system. Just read the 3waylinks.net home page for 24 of those.
This is my last word on the subject, and I'm closing comments on this post. Nay-saying is only valid if you've actually used the system. Since you haven't, you can't claim that it doesn't work, and it's foolish for you to do so.