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25Jul/11Off

Making Every Link Count

In my last blog post I showed how Google was still weighing links as the primary factor in their ranking algorithm. From the comments added to the post, I was far from alone in my assessment of Google's algorithm.

So if links are the primary means of ranking in Google, then it's important to get a lot of links coming into your site. You may already be doing this, but it's possible that your links are being wasted.

How so? If you're submitting articles to a lot of "lesser" article directories (such as those often included in automatic submission software), or making posts to blog networks, or submitting your site to link directories, the odds are that at least some of your links aren't ever counted by Google -- perhaps even the majority of those links.

You see, just because a page exists on the web doesn't mean that Google will automatically add the page to their index. For sites that are very popular, and have a huge number of incoming links, it's a safe bet that any pages you have on those sites are being indexed and your links counted. This is true for major article directories like EzineArticles and ArticlesBase.

But the "lesser" sites, with fewer incoming links (which is often indicated by a lower PageRank on the site's home page) don't automatically get all of their pages indexed. Google will index quite a few pages even on these "lesser" sites (at least a few hundred), but many of these directories have thousands, or even tens of thousands, of pages -- the majority of which never make it into the index. If your link is on one of those unindexed pages, then Google isn't counting the link back to your site in your ranking.

Fear not, though. You can overcome this problem fairly easily. All it takes to ensure that your pages get indexed is to make sure the pages your links are on have incoming links of their own. Yes, you have to get links to your links! But they have to be links that Google will see and crawl.

There are a couple of ways you can do this:

1. Create an RSS feed and ping it.

There are a number of services that will host an RSS feed of the urls you provide for free. Or you can create and upload the RSS feed to your own site. Then submit the feed to a pinging service like PingOmatic, which will get your feed crawled and indexed on a number of popular feed sites. That will draw Google's attention and usually ensures that the pages in your RSS feed get crawled and indexed.

2. Manually build links to your links pages.

You can manually build links to your "lesser" links pages in order to get them indexed as well. One way of accomplishing this is creating a Blogger blog (or WordPress.com blog) and posting content to the blog that links to the "lesser" pages. Blogger is heavily crawled by Google, and is a sure-fire way to get your links pages noticed and indexed. WordPress automatically submits posts to PingOMatic, and that, too, will draw Google's attention and usually get your links pages indexed.

3. Use an automated indexing service.

This is my preferred method of ensuring all of my linking pages get indexed by Google. Rather than building and pinging RSS feeds, or manually building blog pages that link to my links, I just submit them to an indexing service. The indexing services let you submit the pages you want to get indexed, and they typically will post your url on high PR blogs and social networks, etc., in order to make sure that your links pages get indexed.

Not all of these services are created equal, though. Some work okay, some work well, and some don't work much better than doing nothing at all. I'm currently testing a newer service, and I have to say, so far I'm very impressed with it. If you're on my email list I'll be sending out a mailer once I have some longer-term data to pull from, but I am definitely seeing a much higher rate of indexing using this new service than I was before -- and it's translating into better rankings in Google without having to acquire new links.

I prefer the automated solution because it saves me loads of time and effort, but of course it's not free, whereas the other two options you can do for yourself at little or no cost.

So if you're wondering why your sites aren't ranking well even though you've made hundreds (or even thousands) of submissions to the directories, chances are those pages aren't getting indexed. With a little elbow grease, or a subscription to a solid indexing service, you can turn all of that around.

Please post your thoughts and questions in a comment below.

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  1. Im curious about whether this is considered Black Hat. One of the comments mentioned BackLinksIndexer. Are these services Black Hat then?

  2. Thank you Jonathon. I was just looking at a backlink boosting service tonight called Backlink Booster, and although I’ve heard fairly good things..I was still a little hesitant.

    I’m looking forward to hearing about your results with the service you are testing.

    Thanx
    Becky

  3. Absolutely right!, one thing is to get the links and another one to get them indexed,
    I personally try to build as many links as possible every day. Thanks for the RSS info , always thought about it but with the last changes in the algorithm I’m sure it has to be done. Yet another great post

  4. I allow everyone to ping and backlink their articles when they use SEO LINK MACHINE. I truly believe your correct in your assessment here Jon…. I think it would be helpful to have some of the smaller directories like mine work together with guys like you to help all the IM community….

  5. The automated method sounds so much more practical of my usual method of putting everything in social bookmarking sites. I’d try anything to save myself some time.

  6. I’m eager to have a look at your review on the automated solution. Thanks for taking the time.

  7. This is a complete heads up. Yes, I also ping my site whenever I have new post on it. And using the RSS feeds the same way. I also like the link juices coming from article directory sites.

  8. That is great Jon, but my new website does not have that much links yet. Let me wait for a while building it more.

  9. Hey Jon, quick question. First, you have some of the best tools on the market and I use TBS the most. What I do is I use TBS to spin a bunch of articles, then load them into ArticleBot. It posts to around 500- 600 article directories. I’ll go back and check for the links and their not indexed even after 2 or 3 months goes by.

    Here’s the question- each article directory will list all the articles by the author on one page. If I were to use the indexing service to index the author page with all the article links on it, would they cause all the articles to get indexed? Or, would I have to actually go in and use the service on each article?

    Thanks for your help, Jon

  10. John,
    how this new service compares to your 3 way links and 1 way links?
    would like to get your honest opinion
    thnx

  11. Jon’ I got your email today regarding link indexing service that you use to index your links definitely I will give a try, I just want to ask you what is your experience with this service regarding indexing links from forum profiles, web 2.0 properties, article directories and what is the time frame to index these links is it 2 weeks one month or more…

  12. You say :

    The service I use makes it super simple: just copy/paste your list of URLs that you want to have indexed into a box in your account and click the “Add” button.

    Are these your own URLs or URLs that contain a backlink to your site?

    If so, how do you get them?

  13. Ok Jonathan I just receive your message at my Gmail as I am on your subscribe list I receive message about indexing servicethat you use with highest success rate I already post my message before about that indexing service that I use and you didn’t said damn thing I know already that this service has highest success rate because I was testing all backlink indexing services out there and this one I know for sure it’s gonna be your recommendation I know it index all my links including blogs,article and high PR profile links the only problem with this service is quite expencive if you for example submitting 5K links per day then you have to pay $485 a month which can be expencive for many folks but still you get waht youpay for you want better results is gonna cost you more…..and by the way I am been your customer for 3 years already I purchase best spinner, web comp analyst,3 way-links, instant article wizard…let me ask you a question what do you gonna do with web comp analyst when yahoo shut down they yahoo site explorer..? do you gonna shut down software or replace another if you do replace islink count gonna be accurate so we can check which kw has been used as anchor text as well PR of keyword web comp analyst did help me a lot to spying on other sites and stiling they High PR links including some links from PR 6 7 8 …Good Luck

  14. My findings are similar to many. I have had generally good results with the higher ranking sites. The absolute killer in terms of traffic though is to post useful content on top authority sites in your own niche and that has produced traffic that rivals Google. Not all niches though have sites that are straightforward to do this in!

    Cheers,
    Pieter

  15. For getting your pages indexed in the short term, this seems beneficial but are there any negative effects down the road using indexing services?

    • All that an indexing service does is build backlinks to your pages — something you SHOULD be doing anyway. Those links get your pages crawled and indexed by Google. There’s nothing wrong with that. I’ve never had any problems with using links to get my pages indexed, so I don’t foresee any issues with using an indexing service either.

  16. Grame
    use hostmyrss.com for free rss feed hosting and put all the urls of your website backlinks and then submit it with rssbot.
    your all backlinks will be index within 6 hours by google.

  17. I am using Google alerts to find relevant blogs etc. for my niche, but I haven’t noticed these comments becoming links to my site. This could be the reason why!

  18. Thanks for this Jon! I cannot wait to hear about this new service as I also am all about automation!

  19. Jon, I would really like to know of a reputable and worthwhile indexing service. To be perfectly honest, I would rather kiss a pig than build links! Pardon the humor here, but it’s true. I’ve been searching for a good indexing service that could be used for a couple of months to get a site started well and then do a little myself after that. I enjoy your posts.

    • I feel your pain Gustav. I’ve got no love for the process of manual link building either. That’s why most of the links I build are automated in one fashion or another now. When automation isn’t enough, I outsource the rest (did I mention that I hate the chore of link building? :) )

      Look for my email on the indexing service I’m using — it’s coming Monday.

  20. Jon is my favor marketer, he know well what he talking.

    Jon, when send the email to us as i cannot wait for it.

  21. Hey Jonathan.

    Great Post. Your comments echo my sentiments on link building. So many of the pages we/I submit my website links to are not even in the Google Index, let alone getting ranked for some long-tailed keyword.

    However, getting links to your posted links is time consuming. I have tried this before. And, I have been worried about ‘tracks’s on the Internet – getting caught my Google for some type of supposed link scheme. I am interested in this service too.

    As if getting back links to your website home page was difficult and time consuming, getting even more links to your links pages is even worse.

    Thanks,

    Daniel Tetreault.
    Victoria, BC

  22. Yes, indexing the links is a very hard nut to crack. Really hope you can share with us on the automation soon.

    Thanks! ^_^

  23. Im curious about whether this is considered Black Hat. One of the comments mentioned BackLinksIndexer. Are these services Black Hat then?

    • Not that I believe much in the white / gray / black hat notion, but no, it’s not “black hat.” It’s just pointing links that Google will notice at your pages in order to get them indexed. Nothing wrong with that. But then, I’m not Google, and nobody can speak definitively for what they like or don’t like but them.

  24. Excellent information here Jonathan (as usual). I don’t leave any links to themselves. Like the idea about using Blogger – used to do it, but got away from it. Sometimes simple, manual things work a lot better than the automated stuff.

    Thanks,
    Ray

  25. As far as back linking and interconnecting your external links to each other and your money site, check out SEO Method on YouTube. I have no affiliation but they lay it out so easily.

  26. Yes, I too look forward to your email. I have been doing this the hard way one ping at a time. The RSS feed also sounds like a better solution.

  27. thanks bro.. for very good backlink information…

  28. I would suggest to build link naturally, and let Google pick up by itself as long as we’re not spamming!

    Cheers,
    Jay

  29. Could you use social bookmarking to get pages indexed fast Jon?

    onlywire.com have a free tool that allows you to bookmark any page displayed in your browser(http://onlywire.com/bm)

    Is this a viable alternative to the RSS method, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

    • From my experience it works only if you send some backlinks to the pages of services you use with OnlyWire. If your pages of these services are not indexed themself, it gives nothing.

      • Social bookmarking is the best free way to get pages indexed, in my experience. Just don’t use Onlywire or Ping.fm. These type of services are not effective. When you add many bookmarks all at once, you create a new set of problems.
        Just add the StumbleUpon toolbar and stumble every page you want indexed. Not only will your link get seen, but it also will result in traffic to your site from StumbleUpon.

  30. Jonathon,
    Another great post, as always. I just wish you’d post more often because there always seems to be something useful. Thanks

  31. If you have certain number of Twitter followers (e.g. >200) then just post your links on twitter to get them indexed. Google has realtime indexing of tweets.

  32. Careful when you say “crawled and indexed” because getting crawled, which is easy with pinging or an rss feed, does not mean google will index it. We also don’t know how google treats those backlinks that arent indexed. They may still have some value (or maybe even a penalty), but google probably still knows about them.

    Besides making quality backlinks to begin with, backlinking with blogger or other links will probably boost the juice from your links more than rss or pinging alone.

  33. Good Advice about RSS…

  34. Great article – thanks for the information Jonathan. I’ve got a stack of RSS feeds on my site. Works good…

  35. I would also like to hear about your automated solution.

  36. If we are submitting to a submission directory, how do we even know what our pages are? Can the indexing service be connected to the submission directory?

  37. As usual, great info Jonathan. Lately I’ve been noticing that on my larger sites my new posts get indexed within hours. In fact, I’ve had posts get indexed and ranking on page 1 of Google inside 90 minutes. Granted I go after long-tail keywords, but they attract traffic asap. Here’s what I’ve learned:

    1. Larger sites that are trusted by Google ranks new posts quickly and decently.

    2. Longer posts rank better. I’m not saying write long posts filled with nothing, but if you’re considering writing four 500 word articles, consider joining them into one long article.

    Just my two cents’ worth.

  38. thanks good stuff… google changes so much its hard to keep up…

  39. Hi Jon,

    Thanks for the tips. For me, I like to use my mature Squidoo pages to link back to my new posts. I also use WordPress and put a generous list of RSS sites so every time I post I usually get indexed.

  40. Thanks Jonathan
    I can see, you always have good ideas.
    Very good post.
    Yes, backlinks are always problem, on this or another way.
    I like automated solution too.
    I am using RSS feed with energizer to ping my backlinks.
    It is better then before.
    have a good day

    Dragec

  41. Great post Mr. Leger as always you give truthful information that is on point for the way the market is right now. Thanks again for another well thought out post that is actually helpful.

  42. Great post! I’m anxious to hear what indexing service you have had success with.

  43. Oops..I’m late to read this article, thanks Jon, at the moment still hope for Manually build links and Use an automated indexing service. Nice to hearing PingOmatic. also looking tools for automatic indexing :)

  44. Jonathan,

    Thank you for taking the time to write and share this article. I’m going to re-read it and implement your advise.

    Destiny

  45. I completely agree with this article and it in most cases is simply a lack of education on the consumers part… But, hay that is why companies that use SEO Firms experience such great results – because it gets done properly which equals a tremendous value to the customer.

    It is a little like “the secret sauce on a Big Mac” without it you just have a hamburger LOL…

    It would be interesting to calculate the value of just Indexing Old Back links as a business for companies that just do not understand this concept.

    I’m sure that you could do well if this was the only service that you offered! Just hunt down all links for a company and charge $2 to index each link and then provide a report to the customer at the end. Sort of like those companies who help you save on your electric but then keep 1/2 of what they save you.

  46. Great article! Automation is worth it on accomplishing this task if it actually works. Finding that is very hard.

  47. I read some comments above about how article marketing is “dead”…. hehe.

    I have a client in VERY competitive area (over 1 Billion results for his keyword).

    In 7 months we took his home page from nowhere to #8 so far on Google’s first page of results for that keyword.

    95% of ALL our work was content creation used for article submissions and web 2.0. We’ve built close to 30,000 links.

    Yes, article submitting still works.

    • Hi Steve:

      I agree with you. Good content, distribution in top directories and web 2.0 platforms and converting articles into different formats (audio, video) and distribution thereof along with extensive social book marking works in toughest competition. Developing a statndard process and submiting manually (I have a VA who does it) has given me good results. Infact my client’s sites have gone to top page and even ranked number 1 although they had only a fraction of the backlinks of their competitors. Trick to maintain is keep on publishing contentet at a consitant pace. I am now looking into exploring if automating these processes can give similar results.

      Now I have a potential client in one of the most brutally competative area and wants to get top ranking and more than 10K/month visitors and wants to see significant portion of that within 3 months. I am sure using commercial link building services and indexing services will help but I am leary of doing these things fast.

      Any sugestions?

  48. usually, after i built a link, i will ping the url and every time i got the good results.

  49. Getting backlinks and getting backlinks indexed has always been a chore that always seems to be put on the back burner, it’s not a lot of fun. I am looking forward to your solutions.

  50. Hi Jonathan -

    Your articles are about the only ones I read from my glut of email in the morning and I’m always rewarded with some great info – and hats off to all of the super-intelligent comments as well!

    I mainly use 3waylinks, 1 way links, article marketing and RSS feed distribution and my new sites are charging up the Google ladder with most links counted.

    Thanks,
    Dan

  51. *Confused* Just read an e-mail from Glenn Allsopp at viperchill dot com saying “Article marketing is something that has helped me get a lot of sites ranking in Google very quickly, but now they’ve been “Google slapped”. Google don’t want these types of sites in their index.” He’s suggesting moving away from article directories like Hubpages and Articlebase for links because of Google’s changes and self creating directories for specific niches which accepts guests posts instead of “articles.” What are your thoughts?

    • Alex,

      I don’t own an article directory, so I don’t have an ax to grind with Mr. Allsopp’s opinion, but I do disagree with him. The article directories still serve a very valuable service for you and your website.

      One thing you can do is to make sure you have an original article on the directory, and then do backlinks to the article. This way Google will count the article as valuable content. End result being you still have a very good backlink that will continue to count for your site.

      Automation is the way to go as Jonathan said, but you can still be effective with doing manual backlinks. Blogging, Forums etc and of course daily posting or new content on your own site.

      Evaluate what the myself, Mr Allsopp and others have to say. Article Marketing is a long way from being dead. Especially if you do it the right way.

      Ken

  52. What about posting a link to one of my articles by leaving a comment on a popular blog, like this one?

  53. Links and great content go hand-in-hand. Posting content worth linking to is definitely worth your time. Spewing links from any site available back to your site…not so much.

    Surely the big G knows about link farms and other places that are abused for getting backlinks. Don’t you think all search engines would de-value links from these places?

  54. I have been building links to my links for almost two years now (maybe longer). I learned the concept initial with Dan & Leslie (link liberation) a while back, but the concept came up initially when they were at stompernet. There have been many names for these links “edge network” “pumper sites”, etc. The strategies I’ve tried have been all over the map to accomplish the links to your links SEO method. I now use two tools to do it on automation. I use Backlinks Indexer and Synnd. Both great tools. I personally have found way more links stick and they acquire some link juice to, thus pushing more authority from your links to your site. Building links to your links is standard practice now in SEO. I just hope we don’t have to ever build links to our links to our links. :)

    I am curious to hear about the tool you use Jonathan, b/c I respect your opinion, since you always have a down to earth pulse on SEO strategies.

  55. I don’t know what kind of backlink indexing service you are using I can tell you I have been testing many services out there for backlink indexing including some most popular such as Nuclear-Link-Indexer,LinkJuiceMaximizer, Indexbear, SenukeX Xindexer, Ultra SEO Backlink I was testing to index some of the toughest links to get indexed such as articles,web 2.0 properties,and profile links I can say that this service – http://backlinksindexer.com/ – has the highest success rate of 97% to index all links in period of two weeks , you can recommend any service you want but I know that backlinksindexer has the best success rate over any other service……..

  56. It makes complete sense. The question is whether you run each one of your subdomain blogs and posts through SENuke individually.

    It would be really cool for example if SENUKE could do this for us… for example, I put in my campaign, and it creates all of the membership links, article posts, etc. But then, it takes those links and posts made, and duplicates what has just been done in the campaign but for itself.

    I wouldn’t go deeper than one layer… But I am sure that it would help. Currently as far as I can see, one would need to manually create campaigns for each link/page.

    But your idea makes sense, I thought the same, but just haven’t taken the time to interlink them all.

    Also, if you create a page with links to all of the places you have links and post that page of links in a list format as a blog and then ping that blog, wouldn’t the blog get indexed and then the pages there in.

    • Thanks. I have subscribed to SENuke but have not explored and used fully. I noticed in one of their pre-designed blueprints they show indexing step. I do not know yet if it can be used for articles or not. I guess not. It cant bookmark articles either and you have to take the url of published article and do it. But I think for RSS feeds,and web2.0 posts it can. I will double check and report back what things it will index and what it won’t?

    • Creation of a blog with links to get indexed is a great idea. How Google deals with it only time will tell. But I think the bog should be on an independent server and it will have a better chance.

  57. Hi John:

    Great article. What is your view on SENuke that does this automatically?

    Thanks

  58. I thought this was well known info? Thought everyone knew.

  59. Thanks Jonathan for the reminder to check my inbound stuff. It’s an education that never stops and we need to monitor, measure, test and also ‘promote the promotion.’ Thank you again, Jon. Grateful.

  60. Jon, I always take my time to test out every tip you suggest and found them useful. I have always wondered why some tools I use register links to my sites but in the Google webmaster tools, the numbers of those links are a lot lower. This post has proved why that is so.

    Maybe some webmasters who claim Google does not display every link but how are we to be sure that that is correct. The rules of trial and error sometimes might work.

    I submitted a lot of articles to directories and try to link to them from other directories or blog networks as soon as those articles are approved.

    Most blognetworks don’t give evidence where your posts are unless you luckily get them through pingbacks if you link to a blog post.

    This is why I am a fan of your 1way links because I get a list of the urls where my articles are posted and therefore I can build links to those articles. By doing this, I noticed drastic increase in the number of displayed links in the Google webmaster tools.

    Thanks for these tips Jon.

  61. Oh and I totally agree with Walt – the big G places a lot on internal linking – the related posts plugin comes in very handy for this, hint, hint..

  62. i use 2 methods to index links – backlink energizer which is sending the links to a network of blogs and web20 sites – all you need to do is check them now and again to ensure they are still posting content.

    the other one is backlink booster whereby you load all your links into a notepad, setup a cronjob and each link gets pinged to around 100 ping sites every 15 minutes. You can then bunch them into RSS feeds and feed them into RSS directories.

    I’m not sure how effective these are, I think its the content that gets you ranked with the KWs and images (with alt) – I have built 1000s of links to sites and indexed them and have found they have only really moved after adding content.

    So i think the message is that you must first concentrate on good content above all else, once you have done this then do the links, because it is these that will keep your site there once ranked.

    V difficult to get the balance right.

    • hey peter, I have used both those tools before. the challenge with backlink energizer is you are sending everything to the same group of blogs and you are not get enough diversified IP’s in the links. It’s just not a sophisticated enough tool. It’s a nice add on. You need a really big network of sites to do your backlinking for these kind of links to your links and sometimes you have to get your hands a little dirty and do some manual backlinking to secondary content that is solid.

      • Matthew,

        I really think you hit the nail on the head. The automation is fine but from time to time the “get hands dirty” is a major part of keeping inroads within Google and other search engines.

        In addition I believe very strongly in consistent month in and month out creation of backlinks to your valuable content. Without it I believe your site/content will get knocked down by the search engines.

        Ken

  63. I like this post quite a bit. I’m looking forward to your thoughts on the auto-indexing solution.

  64. Hey Jon,
    Thanks again for some valuable information. Back-linking seems to be the hottest topic of the day. I still do it manually and not very effectively. I think a root-canal seems more appealing. Oy Vey!
    Can’t wait for your suggestion.
    Cheers,
    Wayne

  65. Thanks for a great post. I’m starting to realise how much work is involved in building links and there are some great ideas here to ensure that all my hard work won’t be for nothing!

  66. People also forget about the most effective link building technique of all…adding content to your own site and properly linking the pages together. The bigger your own site is, and the more you link the closely related pages to each other, the more link reputation your site will get for the keywords with which you link. In fact, it can be argued that the most effective links you can get are the ones you make within your own, growing site.

  67. Jon, are you saying that 1WL includes the indexing service you mention here as part of the monthly fee?
    Thanks
    Vince

  68. Thank you for this article, it seams to me that link building is hard work, but has to be done, although it does take time for some link to show up. Even no follow links have some value and it helps, as it looks more natural.

  69. Great post – I always used to wonder why I set gazillions of links yet so few counted.

  70. Great post. I use the Manual way you described above. I have tried a few of the automatic services with very little luck. Just plain hard work seems to be the best way for me.

  71. Great post Jonathan, being new to SEO I am trying to pick up as much information as I can to improve my own rankings. Very useful pointers which I havn’t come across previously. Thanks again.

  72. jon thank you very much that i have confirmed that rss feeds are helpful otherwise always i have ignore rss.

  73. Thanks for sharing and i will watch out for the “Automated Solution.”

  74. Usually for indexing backlinks I do article submission with article submission tool. Your method can be a good input for me, but for point no 1 (creating RSS..), I never do it :) , yeah, let see..

  75. Hi Jonathan, I use Pingomatic and web2.0 artilcles for this but I’d like to see this latest innovative software you are currently testing and hopefully if it cuts our activity time, then it would be more than worth the investment.

    Thanks for this
    Theo

  76. If your link is on a page that is cached then it is indexed right? Building links to pages where your links are is just helping other sites isn’t it.

  77. Right know I’m creating rss feed and submitted to rss directory.. and ping all of it. It really take time and effort.. and I still searching for the best way. Just Can’t to see you result with few index services Jon

  78. So true Jon. I have your best spinner to do the spinning job but it is not enough as I don’t get much of the back link index by Google. SEO can be headache sometimes. Anyway looking forward to hear the automated backlink services..

    Regards
    Michael

  79. Welcome to Web 3.0, soon only major corporations will be on page 1 to page 4.
    Automation has kept this world going since the Industrial Revolution. So now google becoming “so concerned” about that is raising lots of eye brows.

  80. Hi Jonathan,

    In an attempt to get my backlinks indexed, I have started to use the free services offered by bulkping…

    First a input upto 100 URLs into bulkping.com/rss-feed-generator-creator to create an RSS feed…

    Then I submit that RSS feed to bulkping.com/free-rss-submit-online

    Lastly I ping the feed to bulkping.com

    I also sometimes pay for an xrumer profile blast to my backlinks.

    Still doesn’t always work though :-(

    Regards,

    Julian

  81. Jonathan

    You are 100% correct, if a back link is not indexed and cached in Google it does not count

    We had a look around for an indexing service, and in the end have developed our own tools

    we first run a test on all pages that conatin a back link to our sites

    we check if the links page is indexed – and if so, we add that to 1 report
    if the page is not indexed we then run a number of tests
    there are many reasons why a page is not indexed – we send a list of pages that will never be indexed to a second report – these can be written off

    then we are left with the pages not indexed but could be with a little help

    we auto post articles with links to those pages to a big group of blogs, then we post those blog pages to blogspot blogs – the double effect get amazing results

    if fact such good results, we are in the process of selling this as a service

    maybe it is a service you would like to act as an affilate – if so please email me

    regards

    Nicholas

  82. Thanks Jonathan,

    I have never used a back link service and would also like to see what you recommend. I spend most of my IM time on working with customers to either get a website up or work on the on page / off page SEO. I need to learn more in other areas to help get ranking. The great thing is I learn more each day from people like you who share valuable information in the IM field. Thanks again. I appreciate it.

  83. What kind of auto indexing service is currently out there? Mind to recommend a few?

  84. Hey man when you gonnna tell us what service your using? I am tired of creating indexing sites and rss feeds and pinging and working like a dog to just get google to index the links.

  85. Hi Jon,

    Seems like it’s getting increasingly harder to get your links indexed these days. I never saw so much emphasis on it until this year. Also really interested to know what service you’re testing, will keep an eye out for it.

    Cheers,
    Dwad

  86. Automated SEO software is a fantastic time-saver…. but you need to be aware that not all automated seo software were created equal – some are absolutely brilliant, while others are a total load of rubbish.

    David

  87. Great post Jon,, thanks for the “lesson” In this new quest iI need all the help i can get.
    I’ve read that more links from relative High PR site are coming into your site it can help boost your ranking.Could you give us your insight on that?
    Thanks
    Have a great day!!!

    • It’s true that the more links a page has coming into it, the more valuable a link on that page is for your ranking. That usually means links on higher PR pages are better, but not always (because PR is passed from one page to another — you can get a PR5 page from one link from a PR6 page, and that one link won’t make your link extra juicy. :) )

  88. Wish I could get traffic to just one site. Tried for years but the most I get is like ten people a day. My wife thinks I’m nuts and should go get a job. My photography site had a hundred pages full of articles but still got little traffic. Got a little from ezinearticles for a while but keywords and seo don’t seem to work for me. Oh well :)

  89. From your experience, how many links to one page make this page to be indexed?

  90. Hi Jon, are you sure that if a page gets indexed by Google, then it is considered as a backlink?
    I found many backlinks that I’ve created is indexed, but nowhere to be found when I search in backlink checkers like siteexplorer, majesticseo, or anything else.

    • Yes. Those 3rd party tools are only guessing at what Google knows about based on their own data. The bottom line is: if Google has the page indexed, your link is being counted.

  91. I couldn’t agree more. This is actually the missing link in SEO.

    It’s a science guys, not a dark art. If you know what you are doing simply rince and repeat, but what John says is correct. There is NO point having a backlink if Google do not index.

  92. Hi Jon
    Yet more valuable info and i am keen to see your results on automation especially as a couple of your tools including best spinner and instant article wizard are two must haves in my bag…keep us posted.

  93. Interesting article, Jonathan.

    there is one thing that I am not sure to get right. Are you saying that every page, created on Blogger or WordPress.com, get indexed?

  94. It is a fact that Google doesn’t index all articles even when you ping them all. I run an article site that is quite successfull and every article that is published on it is pinged, but I also try to get as many as possible backlinks to this site. There are many softwares that can create backlinks and ping those, but the idea of creating a bloggers blog to post backlinks is a good idea. Please be aware that if you have more than 50 links on one page Google doesn’t index those links as part as the farmers algo. So my advice is to put a low amount of links on one page.

  95. Since you are using an automatic indexer I assume that we do not have to worry about creating backlinks to links with your product. Is that correct?

  96. Good post, Jon. I am using the rss feed and ping route and it seems to work. And of course manually continuing to build links. Not sure about the automated system yet. It will be interesting to see your results when available.

  97. No follows, lesser PR links, and even some junks, do have some value. Google looks at these as “normal”. Without any of these Google might think there is something “fishy” as they should occur “naturally”. They don’t give you a pop in ranking, but an absence of them could lower your PR. Mix them in with the better quality backlinks for a balance.

  98. Thanks Jon… I’m looking forward to hearing your results. I currently use Google’s feedburner. Will be interesting to see if that helps any.

    Kev

  99. I’m using Pingback Optimizer, which works in a very neat way, I’m just not convinced how effective it really is though. Any thoughts would be very welcome.

    • Rick, I’m getting good results with it… of course it is my plugin so I might be a little biased :) ~

      I use it on all of my sites and I do LOTS of article marketing. Probably more than most people… and I get some really good results from using the two together.

      Matt

  100. I’ve been building backlinks to my backlinks for a while and it for sure made a difference in the speed of climbing in rankings for my sites. Trouble is I’ve not been using an automated system. I’d love to see what happens when you put it on steroids via software!

  101. There are some links that Google and Yahoo simply does not show even if it is indexed. You can test this bu searching the URL in Google. It will be in the results page, but Google or Yahoo will not show it as a link when doing a link:’search your URL’.

    This is normally true with low quality links like profiles. So even if you bomb the page with links on links, google will index or know about the link but not show it in the number of links to you page.

    Has any body else notice this?

  102. Gosh, i really confused of SEO, the links and backlinks, all together, anyway thanks for this valuable information.

    I think there are a lot of SEO technique we should apply for our website, right, and it’s takes time, but all your description above makes me fell brand new of doing SEO for my website.

    thanks once again.

  103. Good post with a lot of valuable information. Just wanted to point out though that ArticleBase links are all nofollow so they don’t count either.

  104. Jonathan, is Google count every link on the same domain or just like Alexa which count only one link on the same domain.

  105. I remember about 1 year ago using a piece of software to check my ezinearticle links. To my horror I discovered that about 30% had not been indexed, they were all in the same niche. So I am not to sure if you should even take the best article directories for granted with regard to indexation. Either way it proves your point to be correct!

  106. Nice post John, I am currently bookmarking the pages to be index with high PR social bookmark site and ping them. I am getting very positive results. However I am looking forward for your email regarding tool you are using :) . Thanks for sharing John.

  107. Hello Jonathan, you hit exactly whats important and most people forget. Even tho the pages where you have your backlinks are indexed, its always good to build some backlinks to them. I’ve been doing this for a while (Pyramid Linking) and I can tell you that the results are much better than just building links normally. The basic principle of “Link Wheel” is that once one page is found and has a backlink to your site, that page also has links to other 2 pages that link to your site (meaning that the chances of having all pages indexed are much higher).
    Thanks for this post.

  108. how i can get automatic indexing system?

  109. I really confuse this days building backlinks… its little bit more complex, and I dont have feel yet on it. I use senukex and your tbs. but looks like something is not right :-?

    Is it possible that I spin too much?? and also.. Looks like you are planning to built new software that spins article, from written sentence (when you are hiring article writers)

    Regards
    Ryan

  110. Thanks for the good info John. I am now currently implementing these steps in my SEO optimization journey for my websites. One question though, when developing back-links, do they necessarily have to be related to the sites that they are being linked to? If so, how does this effect the ranking in search engines?

  111. I have been watching this for a while and one way I can keep a real close eye on how my links are indexed is using a program called Seo spyglass. This lets me also look at my competitors links and where they are linking. I think you get seo spyglass for free but you just cant save the reports on the free version. hope this helps.

    I have taken a few of my sites right past my competitor by simple linking on every page they have. If you have not seen this program its worth taking a look at it.

    Thanks for all of your post and help in the crazy seo world

  112. I totally agree.

  113. Hi, Jonathan

    You take a hot topic. Now building backlinks is fairly easy, but make them indexed, or fast indexed will be a problem for lots of people.

    Now mainly I using is rss and bookmark, just read another post about using “backlinks to backlinks” to help indexing, specially linkwheel will help more. Just want to give it a try but not yet. Now read your great post, I will try it now.

    Hope get more great tips from you.

    Cheers
    Eric

  114. Thank you for this post; you may know that my knowledge of SEO is almost zero. That is probably because I have never liked it. It flat bores me…

    But, knowing as I do, that I need to learn a little about it if my site is going to stay from # 1 to #4 on Google, I have to learn a little about it.

    So to make a long story short, I know of no better person to learn from than you. I know that you can be trusted not to steer me wrong just to make a few bucks.

    ‘Guru’s there are plenty – honest Guru’s not many!’

    Thanks Jon,

    HoneyJo

  115. I would like to find a great indexing service I wish I had the time to run more tests. I will keep up with your newsletter so please keep me informed on the new indexing service. Sounds like a great idea…

    Thanks
    James

  116. Hi Jonathan
    How about a proper course on backlinking – even a membership site – I for one would be joining.

  117. I have tried automated article submission software but it has become more ineffective as time goes on. More of the directories are using CAPTCHA software as part of the login. The automated software obviously cannot repond correctly to the CAPTCHA software. Does anybody have a workaround for this?

  118. Jonathan, does this process also add a little link juice to the back link in addition to getting them indexed properly & quickly? I am curious to read your ideas about it.

  119. Thanks Jon for your post :)

    Yes, this definitely the issue I’ve been trying to solve for months now but it seems not possible for me. I tend to build a lot of links rather than some high quality links from authority sites. And most of them sit on 3rd parties service so I don’t have any control over the URLs. Others are on article directories but it seems to cost them “eternity” to approve my articles LOL!

    Anyway, I think I will try to go another way soon. I will try to acquire less links but from quality pages. Looking forward to seeing your service!

    Have a nice day,
    Duy

  120. Really good blog post, Jonathan. Thanks. Looking forward to your email.

  121. I forgot to mention a couple of free options to mass ping url’s. bulkping.com and pingdevice.com let you ping a list of url’s. Saves me lots of time pinging! Get those backlinks indexed by pinging in bulk!

  122. If a page with a large number of comments gets indexed, but your comment goes in after the last google crawl, doesn’t that mean you have to get the spider to come back and crawl the page again?

    • Yup, though Google will usually recrawl all of the pages it has indexed — though it may take some time depending on how many links that page has coming into it. The more incoming links, the higher the PageRank, the more frequently Google recrawls the page to look for changes.

      • Jonathan,

        Do you think Google likes to see changes when it re-crawls or does it even matter if the content is exactly the same…? I have not seen any indicators it does, but love to hear your comment on that.

  123. I use article submission software and it can be pretty effective way to generating backlinks back to your money site. What do you guys think about submitting articles with software?

  124. Not bad, but I truly wonder about all these links coming from “lesser” sites. I think Google is getting much better about detecting these “neighborhoods” (as Google calls them) and is beginning to put lesser importance on them. With the recent Google / Panda update, many of my sites were hit. Most of the ones that were hit, did not have many links, and the links they had were from “lesser” sites. I think this issue is going to become even more serious as time goes on.

    • I suggest you read my previous blog post. :) All of my sites that use the lesser submissions to rank are still doing fine.

      • I did read that post, and I struggle to understand it, when I compare it with my own sites. Nearly all of my nice sites were hit, and I used 3waylinks, and a few social bookmarking sites…I really don’t get it.

  125. Your thoughts are always well considered and backed by testing, so look forward to your appraisal of the new linking service, as this approach is surely well worth the investment

  126. Thanks for this information.It will be helpful to know the companies to register with. Cheers.

  127. I am really looking forward see what new automated service you are talking about. I would like to save some time getting pages with my link on them indexed.

  128. It is always good to know Google strategies, and better yet is to know what we can do to dominate the terror of marketers. Thanks for the article.

  129. Great info here. This is just what I was looking for because sometimes the links are get aren’t showing up and aren’t helping me in rankings.

  130. Hi John,

    Thanks for the post. But I have really big question. I am using automated article submission software. When I checked the article pages in google, they have been indexed.

    But when I check my backlink in backlinkwatch and another service, the links are not counted. How could that happen?

    Thanks,
    Yudhistira

  131. Hm… the indexing process is a piece of the SEO puzzle I’ve been trying to put together recently. This post is an eye opener, but to be honest I’m more impressed with your copywriting skills than the actual information you divulge >_<

    Will stay tuned to that follow-up post on indexing services, and more posts on proper indexing how-to!

  132. Hi, I just came back into the game after a successful Google front page run three years ago with a book that is still selling, although I have neglected my websites and migrated them numerous times, losing some links and such in the process.

    Anyway, I’m not in a rush, it was a small niche, and will always be there, and actual sales have been about 8-10 per month.

    So I did the same thing again – this time with an old toy that has been around forever, and still very popular. As you can imagine, I am competing against toysrus, amazon, little tikes, (the actual manufacturers,) and other big names. With the system I used, it does take work, but my initial entry was at 24 with Google, with no backlinks – just the website – for these chosen keywords: little tikes basketball goal. Now you can knock yourself out competing with me, I really don’t care so much about those details. I did a couple of other simple things – article marketing robot – hard to learn, buggy, not really that good – but it is the best one around that I know of, and I tried Article Demon, but it was harder to work, and lost data.

    In a week, I had time to get 300+ spun articles published in one evening, My Youtube version ended up on the front page of Google the next day. At this point, I have: My website on the front page of Google, my Youtube there as well, and on a couple of occasions I have seen one of my articles published there as well – me – taking up three out of ten spots in Google, just using the simple formula I learned three years ago – plus the Youtube addition.

    Why am I spending time with this? Because the email I received attracted me. While I did all this, I knew nothing about Google’s algorithm. I did it the way I was taught three years ago – the hard work of producing decent copy, plus having H2′s and such, well-chosen keywords for the titles of each of the pages, and most critically having the right number of strategically placed bolded keyword-related links going from the main page to the surrounding pages, and back again. At least one image/link per page is probably pretty important.

    That’s pretty much it.

    So, that’s why I am here, supporting this. Links gain respect from Google. Still.

  133. After I blast out my article to hundreds of article directories using a software and returned with the approved urls, pinging them using pingfarm does not automatically get all of them indexed either. So, subscribing to an automated indexing service might be the way to go. Hope to hear your results soon.

  134. I have seen a raise in my rankings when I use ping.fm on the articles I post around the internet {squidoo, ezine, etc). However when using AMA, Article Ranks or Linkvana I can’t do the same thing.

  135. I am currently using the nuclear link indexer which is automated solution and work really well for me.

  136. john that sound great, looking forward to checking out that service you are looking at.

  137. I’ll definitely be interested when you’ve finished your testing on the automated RSS service. Shoot over an email when you’re done testing.

    Cheers,
    Scott

  138. Jonathan,

    It looks like some people need to pay a little more attention to what’s in your post.

    I’m looking forward to learning about this new indexing service once you’ve gathered some longterm data on it.

  139. G’day JL,

    Not a truer word was spoken. I have been grappling with this exact issue for months and even wrote a lenghty post about it on my blog. Through my expereince of late I tend to get quality links over quantity. That way I do not need a heap of backlinks to rank high. I aim to get less links from quality sites then spend time getting backlinks to those sites to boost my site.

    This has worked especially well with Press Releases about my sites which end up on sites such as about.com and cbs.com. I have recently turned to 1 way links to do this. Too early to tell of the merits of it but I will continue until I hear of your results. Can’t wait for the email from you Jon.

    Cheers mate,

    Craig

    • Quality links are less bothersome to get indexed, that’s for sure, but they’re also a lot harder to acquire. Congrats on getting your press releases onto such notable sites. Certainly no indexing issues there. :)

      I use the indexing service on my 1WayLinks network now, and I’m definitely seeing some major improvements in indexing rates because of it. So there’s no need to worry about my results — you’re new 1WL posts are already getting the boost!

    • Craig, we might be using the same PR service. I also not only get the article pushed out to 40 top sites like about.com and cbs.com etc, but the articles, quite thankfully, get stolen by bots and placed on up to 4000 additional sites.

      I thought my seo hard work days were over, but …
      those top 40 sites, only 2 or 3 are not nofollow.
      and the 4,000 copy cats – well, Google shows them, which is how I know they are there, but neither majesticseo nor seomoz gives me any credibility for those links. I have tested this over and over.

      Which leads me to believe that between Google, majestic and seomoz they are still not covering more than 60% of the web or ignoring many links beyond the very first one on a page.

      Majesticseo which has the largest group of links outside of google, actually picks up thousands of links that google is either intentionally ignoring or still hasn’t seen yet.

  140. Thanks for the tip about Ping-o-matic.

    Cheers B

  141. Doesn’t SENukeX do this? I’ve been running some nuke projects against my money sites and seen improvements in my traffic

  142. Thanks for the article Jon.

    My new formula is:

    1. Get some backlinks
    2. Build backlinks TO your backlinks
    3. Index your backlinks AND the backlinks to the backlinks

    I’m looking forward to hearing about the service you’ve been using. I recently found a new one also that is paid and I’m considering adding into my arsenal of automated solutions… it’s so hard to find good tools that deliver results…

  143. I allow everyone to ping and backlink their articles when they use SEO LINK MACHINE. I truly believe your correct in your assessment here Jon…. I think it would be helpful to have some of the smaller directories like mine work together with guys like you to help all the IM community….

  144. Just remember, you can’t shortcut quality. Maybe for a while, but it will catch up to you.

    Dave

  145. I’ve been using this really cool one time fee desktop software to do that and have been seeing really good results with this

  146. Thank you Jonathon. I was just looking at a backlink boosting service tonight called Backlink Booster, and although I’ve heard fairly good things..I was still a little hesitant.

    I’m looking forward to hearing about your results with the service you are testing.

    Thanx
    Becky

  147. jon this sounds interesting i will be looking for this service when you have more data.

  148. I totally agree. Getting secondary and even tertiary links does wonders for your primary links.

  149. Yeah, there are a lot of these services available. Starting from linkalicious to backlink energizer and ending on simple mass pingers.

  150. Interesting, I believe that there are some very sophisticated, methods being used, along with links, however, it would be somewhat less than genuine, to think that massive backlinks are not detectable by Google, just watch for the next update, due out very soon…

  151. I have thousands of links out there and doubt that most aren’t doing much if anything. Looking forward to your review of the automated solution

  152. Hi, Bro Jonathan,

    Thanks for sharing. May I know which indexing service you are referring to?

  153. Absolutely right!, one thing is to get the links and another one to get them indexed,
    I personally try to build as many links as possible every day. Thanks for the RSS info , always thought about it but with the last changes in the algorithm I’m sure it has to be done. Yet another great post

  154. true in every word you said, but the process of getting links indexed is so tiresome and most of the services don’t deliver what they put in sales page. by your experience which one is best . i was reading a few minutes back abt a new service and comparison test they did i hope u r using one of them and let us know soon

    • I’ll be sending out an email soon regarding the service I’m using. Watch for it.

      • Thank you. I am eagerly waiting for your email. Because I am about to buy a tool called RSS Bully offered in warrior forum.

        • will be looking forward to the email. Also in finding someone who delivers what they say, I have found if you find someone who only allows a certain amount of sites in for linkbuilding, such as one I am with they cut off at 80 it does not overwhelm the websites with links out.

  155. I’m current using RSS feed and ping it to make it indexed by Google. Love to hear your view about the automated solution.

    Cheers,
    Ming


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